And we're going to talk now about Angela
Rener, who's being accused by some
people of being a hypocrite for having a
third home. Is she a hypocrite for
having a third home? Is that just one
home too many for an MP? Or are the
people criticizing her being a bit
snooty uh because they believe that a
workingclass woman should not have more
than one or two homes? We're going to
speak to two people about this too.
Marina Peris, the political commentator.
Good afternoon to you.
>> Hi there.
>> And to Dr. Lisa McKenzie, working-class
academic and senior lecturer at
University of Bedfordshire. Afternoon.
>> Good afternoon.
>> Um, right. Marina is well, first of all,
I mean, is where is the hypocrisy here
if anywhere for you?
>> Great question. I I would implore
everyone listening to this to to try and
answer that question. Where is the
hypocrisy? And the thing that really
baffles me about the media landscape is
they never bring up the really
interesting bits here because that
second home premium policy that people
are saying is is is hers. She's pushed
it through.
>> That was Richishy Sunnak's policy when
he was PM brought in under Boris
Johnson's leveling up plan. And yet it
somehow falls at the door of the
workingclass woman who did all right for
herself. And by the way, they're
chucking in Admiral Se House as if this
is another one of her properties. This
is her grace and favor house. Just like
Dominic Robbers, Richie Snoke, deputy PM
used sheavening as his grace and favor
house. Let's just look at this for what
it is. This is basically a cap on
aspiration. This is the media trying to
say, "Oh, hang on a second, Angela, you
stay right in your lane because you as a
woman, a northern woman from, you know,
with an accent who didn't have this posh
privileged upbringing, you are not
allowed to have ambition. You're not
allowed to buy the swanky houses that
only oh Nigel Farage can buy and add to
his you property portfolio that he's
been growing in fact four houses since a
good old Brexit for him. But no, let's
focus on the working-class women that
did all right for herself and call her a
traitor.
>> Okay. Uh to be fair, your point about it
being the conservatives that brought it
in. Matthew Penny Cookook did he did
underline that in that clip, but I I do
take your point. Lisa McKenzie, you had
your head in your hands there. Do you
think she's being a hypocrite?
>> Uh I think she's more than a hypocrite.
I think she's the class traitor. I am a
working-class woman. Uh I'm a lecturer.
I've got a PhD. Um I come from a mining
community, a trade union family, and I
had a baby when I was a teenager, just
like Angela Raina. Only the difference
between me and her is I haven't
forgotten the people who grew me up,
loved me, looked after me, and now for
Angela Raina, voted for her, and keeps
her in that luxury. What Angela Raina
has done is she's got through as a
workingclass woman, she's used that that
she's gone through the trade unions and
since she has been a labor front
benture, all she has done is voted
against the working class and against
those people who have supported her,
loved her and voted for her. She voted
against the two getting rid of the two
child cap. She voted for the dis for the
um benefits cuts. uh she has voted for
every for the winter fuel allowances,
every rotten thing that could harm the
working class, she has voted for it. So
therefore, for me, she's not just a
hypocrite, she's a class traitor. And
the last thing I'll say is we're in a
housing crisis, a terrible housing
crisis, where 1.3 million people are on
social housing list, millions of others
have no safe and affordable house at
all. and Angela Raina the workingass
hero uh cares nothing for those people.
Um I think she's absolutely
>> All right. Couple of questions then. If
she had voted the right way in your
opinion but had three properties. What
would you think of her then?
>> I still probably think the same because
having nobody needs three properties.
Nobody. We're in a housing crisis. Well,
she's an Well, she's an MP and the
deputy prime minister, so she probably
does need to because she's got a home in
the constituency and then the flat in
London.
>> Yeah. And that and that would be
acceptable, wouldn't it? But I mean,
although, you know, but she hasn't.
She's now got three properties. Um, and
nobody and she should be setting an
example. She's, you know, her portfolio
is housing. She should be setting an
example and saying housing is as a home.
It's not part of a portfolio. It's not
your pension. It's not an asset. It's a
home. And part of the problem that we've
got with our housing system is people
think it is more than a home.
>> Okay. All right. Let me set an example.
>> Okay. Uh Marina, she should be setting
an example.
>> Oh gosh. Of all the people to set an
example, I I I Lisa, you actually there
are a few points I completely agree
with. Uh I think it speaks wider to the
failure of Labor by the way and Labor
just who are they working for at the
moment? appears to be they're trying to
just appeal to reform voters, right?
That right, but what you're doing there
is you're pinning the entire blame of,
let's be honest, it's K Star's Labour
Party on Angelina. Now, I agree, she
should be more like Zara Sultana. She
should stick her neck out because I do
genuinely believe she cares about those
things. But what you're doing here is
you are pinning all of the blame for
this on one woman and you're conflating
that with the fact that she's dared to
have the ambition to want more for
herself. Now, it's not you for you,
Lisa, to say that she should only have
two properties and she should live by
example. We live in a horrible, greedy,
capitalist world. And you're telling me
you want her, the woman that's done all
right for herself, to have to lead by
example when everyone else does exactly
what they want. I mean, all you're doing
is you are you are doing the work of the
people who own the daily
you're making us.
>> Okay, Marina. All right, Marina, let
Lisa answer.
>> That's what class solidarity looks like.
That's what we rise together looks like.
That's what solidarity looks like.
Solidarity isn't about you going off on
your own, realizing that there's a
paycheck for you in there and doing it
yourself. Solidarity is about
understanding where you come from,
understanding what is happening to you.
>> So, you're telling me this, you're
telling me you get to decide how how she
spends or how she spends her wealth,
what she does with her wealth. Now, I
think as I'm sorry, but I'm a person I
came from a very working-class
background. Very working-class. Social
mobility has got me to a good place now.
But why would we capitalize a lie?
>> Yeah, I I I don't know what you mean by
that because I meritocracy is a lie
100%. But for some people is too.
>> Okay, we'll come back to that in a
second. Go on, Marina. Quick.
>> Okay. I just think what you're doing
here is this is exactly what the elites,
the establishment want. They want us
waring amongst ourselves. Why they just
profiteer from us? Which is exactly
what's happening. Look the other way.
Look at what she's got. Why aren't we
looking at the people who who are really
the reasons why people can't pay their
bills, can't get a hospital appointment,
don't don't ever see themselves or their
kids getting on the property dada. It's
not because Angela Rain bought a seaside
bloody property. No, it's because people
like it's because our MPs and the people
who are supposed to represent us are not
representing us. And Angela Raina is one
of those. So I I'm coming on here today
to talk about Angela Raina, but of
course I could talk about Russian
Russian Aari Ali Ali as well who's got
her own property portfolio, another
minister uh who who she live she lives
in an area that's got extreme poverty.
Again, we could talk about a whole
number in fact the whole lot of them.
the whole lot of them who sits in that
that place both sides of the of the of
the aisles. But we I am talking about
Angela Raina and she has come through
the working class. She's come through
the trade union route. She's a portfolio
is housing. Um we're in a housing crisis
and she needs to be doing better. She
needs to have solidarity. We've got a
saying in workingclass communities. you
rise together
>> or at least if one of you rises too much
then it's not allowed and they need to
wind their neck in is basically what
you're saying.
>> She's not it's not that she's risen too
much. There are two things here. She
show no solidarity. She doesn't vote
with work for workingass interests. She
votes for middle class interests. What
she's done she votes Lisa with her party
line which is all interest labor is an
absolute joke at the moment paving the
way for reform. I completely votes with
that. But let's but but why are you
hammering her as a woman who is just who
is ambitious? Fine find that but do not
ambitious on the backs of the working
class just like the middle class.
>> What's the difference? What is the
difference if this was
Angela wrong places? because I don't
think I don't think that's her her
intention.